Eve No Question is Stupid Thread - January 07, 2021

Both are introducing them and it's actually going to be amazing watching people who spent over a month mocking the idea turn on a dime and now say how great an idea it is. Schadenfreude aside I'm actually super excited to put on my economist hat and watch various states issue sovereign debt. We will see how much the full faith and credit of NC. and Test are worth and what sort of inducements they have to hit to reach the liquidity numbers GSF was able to hit.

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Woah, looks like this war has already made it into Encyclopedia Britannica

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 09:39 AM PST

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TEST Alliance 'Dunkirk' Update - Full Text

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 11:49 AM PST

progodlegend :

First, let's get the tough part out of the way. This past Saturday's welp was a big setback. Coalition leadership made some critical mistakes and misjudged the situation. When the first battle started over the armor timer, there was no plan for what to do for a possible extraction if the battle went on too long, as it was difficult to anticipate what would happen for the duration of the armor timer. As such, a plan had to be thrown together hastily as downtime approached, all while continuing to call targets and maintain the battle. While we were pretty pleased with how the battle was going before downtime, fighting after downtime seemed risky, as we'd eventually have to extract and would lose a good chunk of titans pulling out of the battle. That loss would have made it easier for Goons to skip the structure timer and just declare a big victory, and likely would have resulted in the same level of smug you're seeing now, and so the decision was made to try to leverage our larger titan cache and overall numbers to try to secure a full victory. By staying logged off we could pause the battle, move our larger titan forces down, and restart the engagement on our terms. While this did allow goons to refuel and rearm, we thought we'd have plenty enough of our own fully fueled and armed capitals from outside system that it would be a wash.

What we did not anticipate is how long it would take to get everything in range. We expected to be able to fight on Saturday at a time of our choosing, but instead as Saturday approached we still had significant forces approaching the battle. Furthermore, a large portion of our forces were from non-EU timezones, and knowing that the battle would likely last many hours, some move ops ended up being rescheduled around the various alarm clock schedules. The timezone restrictions ended up being very limiting, as even when we knew that we probably should get into the system before Goons, we couldn't form our full forces before they could as some FCs and groups were still asleep. At this point the only choice should have been to stand down, but unfortunately no one stepped up to be the bad guy and really put their foot down, so a plan with way too much risk was put together and ultimately attempted.

If we had enough forces in range to start the battle before the State of the Goonion, we would have been fine, as both sides would have been loading the system at the same time under equal conditions, but unfortunately that was not the case. Perhaps we should have risked it before the State of the Goonion anyway, but one thing is for sure, we will not make a mistake like this again. We spent six months prioritizing server conditions over just about everything else, and we will not make the mistake of forgetting that priority ever again. This entire situation beginning with the armor timer was risky from the beginning, and ultimately we felt as if we were in a position where we could take that big crescendo battle that usually comes after four to six months into a war and potentially put Goons in a position where they could no longer credibly threaten us. This was essentially an attempt to end the war, but instead it looks like the war will go on.

As far as situations go, this is definitely a rough spot to be in, but it's not without precedent. There have been worse situations than this in past wars, all with a variety of outcomes. My first alliance Nulli Secunda was in a much worse spot than this after BR-5, as with that battle any credible titan threat our side had was gone, as a majority of our coalition's available titans were destroyed. As we evacuated our assets to a fallback station, the attacking forces capitalized on that advantage and hellcamped us into our station (old mechanics), trapping everything we owned in that station except for what we could fit in the SMAs of our carriers.

While that situation was dire, we didn't panic, we stayed calm, waited a few weeks and then jumped out as much as we could, and then continued the war under a new dynamic. A few months later we ended up winning the war after playing our final trump card (disbanding DoD), and at that point the hellcamp seemed like a distant memory. This situation is far better for us. While we lost a large number of titans, the size of our overall titan fleet is still larger than Goons, leaving us with the ability to threaten capital superiority when we are finally out of the camp and back at full strength. Unlike previous wars, we live out of keepstars now, and if Goons want to do something about us living in their region, they'll have to take the same risk we just took, and suffer the same consequences (though probably without the same mistakes).

One last thing I'd like to say is that my biggest disappointment is that we asked so many of you to take off work and make plans to play EVE, with many of you who had been inactive up until this point finding a way to make it to the structure timer that was on Saturday, and were unable to provide an amazing battle like the M2-X armor timer. For those of you who missed the armor timer, I can't stress this enough, it was an absolutely amazing battle, and was the best large battle I've ever been in throughout my entire 13 year EVE career. Everything worked, everybody was able to contribute to the battle right down to the smallest subcap (though we welped a few legacy subcap fleets early), and for 8+ hours 1000s of capitals shot at each other with heavy but manageable lag. Despite what you saw on Saturday with our failure to load on a big jump in, when managed properly (woops), this game has actually gotten to a pretty great spot when it comes to lag in large fights. In short, if you haven't played in a while and were expecting another fight like the M2-X armor timer, you will likely get that chance again at some point, and I can tell you from experience that it is truly an amazing experience.

With all that said, our main priority becomes obvious: regroup our supercapital fleet back to its full strength. We will do this by breaking out our surviving forces out of the camp and also replacing everyone's lost titan. The break outs will be a tedious process over the next few weeks, and Goons will make some gains during that time, but ultimately it will be nothing we can't afford to lose, just some ihubs and smaller structures. If you will recall, we had Panfam supers and titans in a similar situation after the UALX battle, and while we made some small gains, ultimately all we really accomplished during that hell camp of their supers was burning ourselves out. We are now on the same side as Panfam, and already they are helping us use all the annoying tricks that frustrated us so much during that time.

So, here's the plan going forward and everything else you need to know:

What to do if your cap/super/titan is logged off in M2-X

We've finally finished making preparations for our breakout attempts, and we will now start the process of getting everyone out. One thing we should have mentioned more clearly from the beginning is that if you have a logged off capital in M2-X then you will need to find at least one or two times that you can log in right before downtime to check your situation. Luckily most of you still have cap boosters on, so you can actually cap yourself up to jump cap by logging in right before downtime and chewing on a few cap boosters before you come out of warp. We will be giving specific instructions on how to do everything related to downtime for this, but basically you want to make sure you don't come out of warp and become targetable (15-20 seconds before downtime is safest for starting out).

Beyond seeing that you have jump cap and checking where you are, we are going to start pulling everyone who has a logged off super or cap into a private group so that we can more clearly communicate with you all, and will start the process of getting yall out a little at a time. Like I said, this will take a little while, and we may lose a few more supers doing it, but we will eventually get everyone out, and we will try to do this as quickly as possible.

What to do if you lost a super or titan in M2-X

First off the obvious, everyone is getting reimbursed. Furthermore, we are going to try to make sure that everyone gets an actual replacement titan. Now obviously we've gone through most of our titan cache, so we will have to secure some hulls from other places, but as I said above, the goal is to get our titan fleet back to full strength as soon as possible. To accomplish this we will likely be buying titan hulls off of inactive players as well as other sources. There are actually quite a few titan pilots who came back to the game just for the M2-X hull timer and now have their titans in Delve but may still be mostly inactive. We will be working with the pilots who may not have much time to play to make sure that we can get as many of our active pilots as possible back into titans.

To afford all this, we will likely be issuing some bonds at some point. Unlike Goons our home regions are still moderately stable and all of our income sources are still going strong. But with such a large lump sum being needed all at once, we will probably have to borrow against that income a little bit to finish off the titan hull purchases, depending on what the final numbers end up being. More on this to come as we still have isk reserves to work through first.

Ultimately, the goal is to get everyone back into Titans as quickly as possible, and we will do what we need to do to achieve it.

What's the plan going forward?

Goons are riding quite a morale high right now, and we're going to take some losses in the short term. As I said above, these losses are ultimately manageable for the time being, and by the time we have all our titans out of M2-X, we should still be in a pretty good spot. Obviously we will need to change the dynamic of the war, as even before the M2-X keepstar fights this war had already been incredibly long and exhausting. Our biggest problem before the war is that we were trying to fight uphill against some pretty brutal game mechanics that favor the defender immensely. We were ok doing this for a while because it was making progress and we thought we could end the war before we ran out of steam, but obviously we came up a little short.

Going forward we are going to shift to a much simpler and much more fun game plan that allows us to work with the game mechanics rather than trying to fight against them. This should relieve the tension and ultimately make things more fun and engaging as this war continues, and as a result will frustrate Goons to no end. In addition it should allow everyone in both TEST and Legacy more room to generate isk and just generally be easier to manage than our previous strategy was before the keepstar battle. In order to shift to this game plan we will need to get all of our capitals back into the T5ZI keepstar so that we can once again have a credible capital hammer. We will start getting our new strategy ready during that time, which will include everyone joining a new discord among other things, but for the time being our sole focus is on saving as much of our capital fleet as possible.

The worst part of all this is behind us, now it's just about getting our feet back under us and then changing the dynamic of the war to something more manageable and fun so that it's all still worth it.

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Moody's Alliance War Bond Ratings

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 04:23 PM PST

ALLIANCE	GRADE	RATING	INVESTMENT RETURNS
Panfam (Horde, NC., PL)	AAA	Highest Quality	2-5%
Goonswarm Federation	AA-	Strong	5-10%
Brave Collective	BB	Non-investment grade speculative	25%
Test Alliance Please Ignore	C	Default imminent with little prospect for recovery	10,000%

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Is TAPI allowing their warbonds to be sold short?

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 10:41 PM PST

I am interested in TAPIs warbond offering and how I can sell large sums of these warbonds short.

Alternatively I'm willing sell TAPI warbond calls for iskies once TAPIs IPO goes live and is properly appraised.

I went into more discussion regarding the investment strategy here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JitaBets/comments/ksap4f/2021_year_opener_play_selling_tests_tapi_coins/

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Goons beating Test

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 03:51 PM PST

https://reddit.com/link/ks0ipx/video/4kfvlqw2us961/player

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As a new player I've had an absolutely wonderful newbro experience! Sharing thoughts after a month and giving some advice!

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 01:29 PM PST

Hi everyone!

I know a lot of you are expecting a sarcastic post, but it isn't. I actually have had a LOT of fun. Here are my small accomplishments:

1.My Zkillboard is actually pretty nice for a month old! https://zkillboard.com/character/2117918442/

I have 5 billion Revenue in game, did very little reselling. In order this is where I made money:

Exploration (The event was going on, but did plenty of normal sites)

Abyssal (T3 in a alpha flyable Gila, did some t1s in a worm)

Pvp loot (Broke even probably)

Combat Anoms (High sec only in a gnosis)

Missions (I hate missions, even T0 abyssals pay more than lvl 3 missions)

Mining (I did like... 3 loads of veldspar in the mining frigate. No more.)

With my income I've bout about 5 Large Skill Injectors and haven't really worried about losing ships.

As you can see I've really enjoyed the more active play style. I tried a tiny bit of mining but it wasn't for me. A lot of people I've talked too that are around the same age or even older are struggling with isk and having fun, so here are my thoughts on why I managed to have one of the most fun video game experiences in my life.

Know where to go to get help. There are chat channels for everything specific, here are my favorites.
1. Rookie Fits - I realized really quickly that ship fitting is super complicated. So start here.
2. Abyssal Lurkers - If you wanna jump into the abyss this place is super helpful
3. Eve Uni - Google and you'll find eve uni.
Don't fear death. I met other new players who are scared to go into the abyss or any part of null. But we're Capsuleers! Death is just a tiny annoyance to us.
Fly cheap, I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH - From my zkillboard you'll see I'm not flying anything super shiny. Most of the time doing explo I'll be in my Magnate or simple fit astreo, and probably the "shiniest" thing I've lost is my PVP Astero. Which killed half a billion in pvp before going down, most of it solo kills.
Try everything. At first I did missions and was like "ehh maybe this isn't for me" but then I did combat anoms and had fun, then someone suggested I try out exploration... and oh boy I fell in love doing explo in null. I got hunted some obviously, but after awhile I realized... I could be the hunter! Also tried out abyss and enjoy the constant action and tension of that.
Nulls not as scary as Carebears indicate. Yes, I clearly died some, but I got out 9/10. If you're running around the backwoods of Null and leave local anytime someone else shows up in local you'll probably be fine. Most of my deaths were because I was greedy Exp: Oh sure someone's in local... but I almost have this scanned down so I'll just do this last one.
Fix your TRIG STANDINGS. Guy's, it's really easy. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Pochven#Standings
Totally worth the 10 million and twenty minutes.
Missions pay crap. Do not do missions for the money, do them for standings/lp. T0 Abyssals can be done in a rookie fit combat frigate, and will pay about 2 million isk for 10 minutes. Dozens of times better than level 1/2 missions.
With PVP the most important thing is looking for your opening. And honestly, being the hunted for a bit made being the hunter pretty easy. Because I got a feel of how the prey act, and how predators act. So I had a pretty good idea of how to dodge other hunters and how those being hunted were acting.
Find a good rookie corp - I found one with a rookie trainer who actually has a play style similar to what I ended up enjoying. So he was able to give lots of help. If the rookie corp you land in first doesn't help, leave.
Learn how to get around with Filaments/Thera worm holes. Even without the event there are filaments that help. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Thera
Seriously, let other people fit your ships. Some of the kills I got were people who clearly fit their own ship, and probably why I got the kill. There are rookie fits in the rookie fits channel for early pve, zkillboard shows good pvp fits, and for abyssals this site https://abyss.eve-nt.uk/fits gives you the fitting and strat.

So those were my main thoughts! This last month has been one of the greatest video game experiences I've had, and I plan on doing a lot more pvp/explo/abyssals, and try out any other content! I've completely ignored inactive play styles, and avoid diving too deep into math.

So let me know if you have any questions and hopefully helps some other people have fun!

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Some Sort of Super Meta Shitpost

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 10:17 AM PST

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PAPI may have lost titans but they still have:

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 06:54 PM PST

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Made a new alt. Thx CCP

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 09:44 AM PST

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Introducing a friend to the game when I looked away from the stream for 3 seconds.

Posted: 07 Jan 2021 01:58 AM PST

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Multi Vector Bombing

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 07:09 PM PST

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Who wants to buy war bonds from the dude who loves to loot in his rorqual mid fight?

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 09:53 AM PST

Vily has always been and extremely deep cover goon spy, and we're going to steal all your isk

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So i run locator on 4 random NC titan pilots. They came out 75% M2 positive. How many supers are actually logged out there?

Posted: 07 Jan 2021 12:53 AM PST

Those are not ghost titan pilots.
It looks that fight in M2 is far from over.

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Abandoned sotio kill. Nyx and many sweets dropped! Enjoy:)

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 01:20 PM PST

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Why Vilybonds will not work for TEST

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 10:29 AM PST

As we all know Vily likes to be rich and as such TEST is a top heavy alliance with the majority of the wealth being held via the alliance rather than the line members.

I am not saying the TEST line members are poor sure they are not as rich as imperium line member but overall Vily will not get as much as he is expecting to purchase a new Komodo.

If you help your members thrive and become rich they are more likely to help their alliance in need but if you don't like your line members to be rich so you can give them Value don't be surpised if they have little to give.

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Which way to go for an Alt?

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 10:49 PM PST

Besides the free SP, which way would you create an Alt?

Keep one account but multiple toons and pay for for extra training on one account?
Omega or not another account entirely?

I'm honestly looking for the pros and cons of both. I have been reading and reading but... Can't make up my mind.

Thanks in advance on your opinion....

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M2-

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 03:59 AM PST

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When Villy hears about M2-XFE

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 06:56 AM PST

https://youtu.be/gJ9dBgh4acU

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meirl

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 02:33 PM PST

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It's funny how times change

Posted: 06 Jan 2021 12:23 PM PST

I have been playing this game for about 13 years, but I am inactive since pretty exactly 2 years. I am in Init. and will remain so for probably the rest of my life. With this, I just want to make clear, that I ain't posting from an objective point of view.

Recent events made me remember the meme video that I linked and I chuckled a bit, because history in Eve, while repeating itself over and over, just keeps changing the parties involved on all sides. And mortal enemies of the past suddenly are your best friends.

There are some exceptions to this, to which I would include the relationship between Goons and Init, simply because it held up for so many years and real trust is there.

The message from this post, that I intend, is: Don't grudge too hard. We're all playing the same game and at the end of it all, a lot of us chill out in an opera hall in Reykjavik or a bar not too far off of there and have a beer together.

But don't get me wrong: I wish PAPI to get hellcamped to, well, hell in M2.

Edit: Somehow I fucked up to include the link. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28oeGNRHsdw

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